Thanks Leon21. He was on guard duties mostly on the rooftops of parliament apparently with Churchill quite a lot. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. However, he has recently discovered that apparently all Brodie and Mk.I helmets were pressed by Joseph Sankey and Sons, so the the initials simply indicate the steel supplier. . Frankston RSL Sub Branch Munition, German 75 mm. For slow learners: A Brodie is simply the design of British Army helmet worn in both WWI and WW2, and not a particular type of WWI helmet? and 34th Coy. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' Looks like an original Mk2 shell, obviously repainted. Original WWII British Brodie Steel Helmet in OD Green- WW2 Dated $114.95 400 sold ORIGINAL WWII BRITISH / CANADIAN 1941 HELMET $49.88 $18.00 shipping WW2 Canadian Dispatch Rider Helmet $149.00 0 bids $22.80 shipping 5d 17h Antique World War 2 British Brodie Helmet WW2 $44.00 0 bids $13.30 shipping 3d 11h or Best Offer During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. loop/lug was first used on the British MKI* and MKII helmets. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' Not sure why there's a hole in the rim. Helmets such as this did not leave the factory this way. Article about: Hi everybody i found this helmet while i'm surfing on the net. Here's one I've have had in my collection for many years is this with the steel rim and second pattern liner, i would say unissued , not sure if it was for the Americans or New Zealand troops, but the main printed label is not easily read .it still maintains the crown label , the white doggy bone looking mark was on there when i got it,maybe a clumsy decorator ? before , possibly made by oneof the allied countries. Primary blast wave protection in combat helmet design: A - PLOS FOR SALE! BRODIE HELMET $110. 100% refund policy on all items returned within 30 days. The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. It's hard for me to tell without the liner, but could the helmet be American Colin? Is it a BEF or US helmet? Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. 2nd Bn. We are born to die, but I appreciate life. It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. var year=mydate.getYear() 4th Bn. Both were manufactured using a similar process. Heavily distressed #re, Specters in the Snow, the story of Finlands Skeleton Helmet, Sinister in Black, the Pre-War Helmet of the SS, The German helmet of the Normandy Campaign, The Tsars French Helmet, the Imperial Russian Adrian, Visiting the Baltic with Alexander & Sons, Understanding WWII German helmet insignia, Whats inside, German helmet liners 1920-1940, Geronimos helmet, a short history of the U.S. M2, A Short History of the German Steel Helmet of the Great War. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' // Stop Define Variables for days of the month document.write; The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. Thanks for the info lads. The American shell is heavier. Hi Tom, welcome to the forum. Imperial Russian Adrian helmet. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner 374540440490 A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. What I know so far, He was injured in France in 1940 so was 'dropped' from active service. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. I guess my difficulty is that discussions about brodies are quite detailed and assume prior knowledge. var fontend = '' Often American GIs used the steel cap from the M1 as a rudimentary entrenching tool to dig these foxholes. Paste as plain text instead, The chinstrap isn't a British one, or at least it's not a wartime example. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. Though we never call it that. Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. I have a WW2 British helmet. How do I tell if it's real or fake? arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. Hi! The dark green color and cork coating (to reduce the possibility of ight reflection) is very close to what the first M1 helmets had applied. Brodie helmets - How to identify - Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. The color of paint used by both the British and American manufactures do show some similarity. Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? O Gauge garden model railway It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. I'm putting in a picture. He was the head ofthe South-West ministry of publics works. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. However, the M1 sits further back on the head than the Brodie, thus providing greater protection to the neck. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? if (year < 1000) year+=1900 dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. ''Everyday you think of living. WWII-Era M1 Helmets: A Beginner's Guide - Military Trader/Vehicles The shell is an American made M1917A1 made by the ( McCord Radiator Co ) the heat stamp number( 10C ). I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. Reproduction WW2 British Army Brodie Helmet with Chinstrap - Tommy There should not be a threaded nut. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. The British cleverly dealt with this problem by issuing their men with a Hessian cloth cover. Thank you for that feedback! helmet Bowl-shaped steel helmet showing remains of crude dappled camouflage colours of light brown and mid-green on an apple green field. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen. It it worth noting that while British servicemen were never issued with American helmets, American service men were issued British helmets. The constant handling a helmet would receive in the field would compress the saw dust finish. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. var day=mydate.getDay() He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. IMP. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. Greetings. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. FOR SALE! While they were initially produced from manufactured paper fibres, these models were quickly discontinued when it was realised that they degraded in short order, particularly in the tropical conditions of the Pacific War in 1942 and 1943. When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. DPH The military helmets that America copied from other - We Are The Mighty The M1 was eventually used in virtually every part of the globe, certainly everywhere that fell within the American sphere of influence during the Cold War, from the Balkans to much of South America and from West Germany to Singapore. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. It's easy! Clear editor. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. Helmets and Headgear. Should I get a replacement liner and chinstrap or just leave it as it is? . Colin is the man for Brodies but I think he might struggle with this one too. 354.85 Buy It Now. First thing is to see if you can figure out the unit emblem on the helmet. NPB. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. Follow on Instagram, The British Mark I Brodie & the U.S. P17, know the difference, M42 winter camo. Adrian Blake takes a look at collecting such helmets and the huge range and variety that were in use. http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. It was in production already in the summer of 1915 when he was issued with his patent, but it would quickly evolve into a new design in the autumn as some deficiencies in the original were quickly removed and improvements were introduced. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Specification. Display as a link instead, I found a brodie helmet at an antique shop, its been painted black (going over several peace signs in black sharpie). Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' Hi, thanks for your reply. MSA. Only a few very minor details set them apart from each other. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. dailyinfo[25]=' 262952 Private Archibald Stanley BURGNEAY 8th Bn. When the helmets are viewed side by side it is easy to see why so many people confuse one for the other. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. I'm sorry I could not find a post 1916 stamp (see below for two examples of post Aug 1916 stamps. No liner and what looks like a disintegrating pad (asbestos concern?). Your link has been automatically embedded. s it original or repro or which version. You cannot paste images directly. Both helmet have a similar dome and similar skirt. In fact they all look the same to me apart from the liners 5 seconds on the google http://thebrodiehelmet.weebly.com/. worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. "Orbita." Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' Surely there is only one Great War Forum!!! Please consider supporting our videos on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/simplehistoryThe British Helmet in World War IJohn L. Brodie had invented and patente. if (year < 1000) year+=1900 Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. Thank you so much Leon i appreciate that , now i have all the info to keep, somehow i could never bear to part with these two gems , and they were both luck on finding as i was not looking for them in the first place, i just thought hey that's nice and bought them for my shelf , again thank you. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. You can post now and register later. M42 winter camo. Vimyridge23 April , 2010 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. Similarly other late entrants into the war such as Portugal relied on supplies of the Brodie to protect the heads of their troops. i read threads forum about brodie he Antiques, Stamps, Coins & Militaria. Index CEF Helmets - Kaiser's Bunker It may have been refurbished by the Americans during the 1930s and had new mounts added, which they did to both British and American Helmets, if you can find a makers mark you will know for sure. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' Thanks for the video, i will show my step father and see if he can recognise his dad, I would think this is more likelyto be lettering on a Civil Defence unit helmet than Home Guard.